Curse

awry · Dec 06, 2010, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I've got to say from the time I've started playing Necro, I've never felt any necromancer's elite have been particuarly good. Wail of doom was my favorite before it got nerfed as it required some field awareness to use properly and had some devastating effects if applied right, but there are small windows for these situations and the extra recharge sure doesn't help. I used to spec into blood just for spoil victor w/ some builds because it was just that strong, but now it isn't worth it.

Right now i'm just using Corrupt enchantment, but really that's a mediocre skill. You run across some builds that don't even use enchants and you've got a skill doing nothing. Everybody's running covers too so stuff like strip enchantment is better. Rip enchantment does the same thing really. It's decent pressure when there are enchants, but otherwise I'm doing nothing with it.

So what elites do you put on your curses bar? There really is nothing in the curses line that I see worth bringing as most of them are even more situational than corrupt enchantment and focus on certain situations. I find myself just trying random stuff on my bar like expel hexes, You're all alone, etc. I'm even half considering not putting in an elite as most of them are expensive + long recharge + relatively long cast and a bar of cheap spammable stuff might be better.

Caw521 · Dec 06, 2010, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Soul Bind and Depravity are also fun in pressuring healers/caster imo. Weaken Knees is useful for AB or JQ/FA.

But yeah, when in doubt, use Spiteful Spirit.

infi · Dec 06, 2010, 08:37 AM // 08:37

You have to put up your bar here and add arena type which you try to play to get a propper advice.

Asda che ti Passa · Dec 06, 2010, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by awry

Right now i'm just using Corrupt enchantment, but really that's a mediocre skill.

lol corrupt is one of the best curses skill left. No idea of what kind of pvp are you talkinga about but corrupt is always usefull -8 degen and ench off every 10 seconds is just awesome.

urania · Dec 06, 2010, 11:19 AM // 11:19

imo your best bet is to roll a blood necro (with staple skills like life siphon, barbed sig, angorodons gaze, strip ench, oppresive gaze, blood of the agressor or dark pact with masochism for e management when you're using a lot of fast recharging 10 e cost skills (though angorodons is a fairly good e management too), or some big self heal like blood renewal or monk shutdown like mark of subversion). the blood line lets you use a whole variety of builds with various elites from accross all proffessions, including warrior (victory is mine, you're all alone), paragon (its just a flesh wound) etc line - the blood bars are often far more effective (and fun) than spamming hexes alone.

its good for both RA and in AB.

but if you REALLY wanna roll a ce nec then id say corrupt ench with rip ench, defile defenses, faint, enfeeble (or a defensive skill like return, shield bash instead), ff and plague sending are your best bet - every mo has some form of enchantment so you can have a field day with them, owning their stances and guardian with defile defenses (usually just predefiling the mo is good, so you can quickly spot when they have a block stance up) and/or just removing the enchants with one of the removals you have at your disposal (removing holy veils with rip ench has always been one of the nastiest things by far, almost as annoying as strip ench that removes the cover ench too...).

so, a ce bar or a wail bar with indisious, but that one kinda takes a fair amount of practice, good field observation and a shitload of multitasking (well, all ff+ps bars do).

superraptors · Dec 06, 2010, 12:05 PM // 12:05

wail of doom is still pretty beast

FoxBat · Dec 06, 2010, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Melandru's Resilience + Foul Feast is always fun, then spam the 15e hexes like insidious and suffering.

Bobby2 · Dec 06, 2010, 05:53 PM // 17:53

PoD, WoD, Corrupt, Soul Bind... even Charge! or YAA! in AB

I love cursey's, they're so versatile

Sirius Bsns · Dec 06, 2010, 07:34 PM // 19:34

I'd go with pure degeneration and damage from Blood Magic:
Masochism, Barb Signet, Life Transfer, Life Siphon, Oppressive Gaze, Dark Pact, Strip Enchantments, and Res Signet (for Random Arenas). You can swap Life Transfer for SV if you want to deal a lot more damage, but I find that enemies hardly incur damage from it, and I also like the insane regeneration combined with full Undertaker Insignias and a shield to mitigate so much damage! I even roll /W and invest 10 points into Tactics for added survival.

I Angra I · Dec 09, 2010, 02:02 PM // 14:02

Blood necros tend to be your best bet these days after the huge buffs to them. If you're set on running a curses bar, Wail is still pretty good, so is PoD/Corrupt.. Weaken Knees is still not that bad, even after its nerf. Something like YAA is a good choice also like you mentioned, it's a pretty popular elite on the blood bar also.

ErrantVenture · Dec 09, 2010, 02:16 PM // 14:16

YAA!, CE, Soul Bind, Weaken Knees, and Depravity are all very strong elites on curses bar.

tealspikes · Dec 10, 2010, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Corrupt Enchant is probably the best curses elite in RA, Lingering Curse or Pain of Disenchantment in HA/GvG.

galactic · Dec 28, 2010, 09:02 AM // 09:02

soul bind is triggered by the party heal of healing burst.

helloeveryone · Dec 29, 2010, 01:18 PM // 13:18

i tried Soul Bind after seeing it successfully being used by [cake] but i have problem managing energy and it is a wasted elites if there wasn't a healer around. i m talking about RA, AB type of pvp though, not GVG

Krill · Dec 29, 2010, 02:39 PM // 14:39

In the optional you take rip or enfeeble, for AB you take dash instead of bash and barbs instead of res. Weaken Knees is still somewhat decent but CE is just too good for stripping vig / patient.

A cheesy ass blood necro with life transfer, siphon, gazes and barb sig can be effective too...until you play a FF necro.

Sirius Bsns · Dec 29, 2010, 08:39 PM // 20:39

I go with Pain of Disenchantment. It equates to almost 100 damage, and it gets rid of more enchantments than Corrupt Enchantment. It's very effective against Ele's, dervishes, enchantment-oriented assassins, conjure warriors of any kind, and ultimately the monks! Too few mesmers and necros use enchantments, but if they do then you can make even more use out of PoD. I also typically take enfeeble to slow melee damage from warriors and dervishes.

Seraphim of Chaos · Jan 01, 2011, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Krill

In the optional you take rip or enfeeble, for AB you take dash instead of bash and barbs instead of res. Weaken Knees is still somewhat decent but CE is just too good for stripping vig / patient.

A cheesy ass blood necro with life transfer, siphon, gazes and barb sig can be effective too...until you play a FF necro.

no faint? lolwat

urania · Jan 01, 2011, 10:18 AM // 10:18

insidi kills.

Bobby2 · Jan 01, 2011, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by Seraphim of Chaos

no faint? lolwat

Real men use Shadow of Fear

Sirius Bsns · Jan 01, 2011, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by urania

insidi kills.

It kills newbs, but not the pros. A real pro doesn't attack through it unless he knows he can score a kill. Otherwise, he'll wait out the 12 seconds and only use something like Dev Hammer or Hammer Bash to knock down foes using devastating skills or spells [like Shame, Diversion, etc..]. I'd personally rather use Faintheartedness + cover-hex combined with enfeeble to completely nullify warriors and other physical dpsers.